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				<title>Ed Lantz started the topic Philosophy for Children in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2020 19:43:14 -0500</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran across this UK group that may be of interest:</p>
<p>&#8220;Philosophy for Children, or P4C, is an approach to teaching and learning, in which children take part in philosophical enquiry. It enhances thinking and communication skills, boosts confidence and self-esteem, and improves behaviour and academic attainment.&#8221;</p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz updated new location at Los Angeles, CA 90017, USA</title>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:57:52 -0500</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Karen!  Just ordered it&#8230;  E</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:38:07 -0500</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think that Swimme and Berry’s <em>Cosmogenesis</em> concept holds promise for intellectual common ground as you suggest. The term is not as pithy and self-explanatory as the expression &#8220;living universe,&#8221; however.&nbsp;Duane, the term &#8220;trans-biological life&#8221; is intriguing and self-explanatory. However you still may run into philosophical issues since y&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-3367"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/28/#post-5218" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:52:08 -0500</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see the conversation continuing&#8230;&nbsp;Mike: &#8220;The question, “Is the Universe a living system”, is a <em>non-sequitur. </em>There is a disconnect between the premise and the conclusion.&#8221;&nbsp;Thank you for this!  Yes, this thread has been going in circles and agree with your observation that folks are sticking to their guns, so to speak. I believe there&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-3330"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-5153" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:50:39 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; Thanks for your kind and thoughtful comments. You&#8217;ve taken the time to sift through and respond to my points in detail and I really do appreciate that. While we personally gravitate towards different approaches given the same data, we&#8217;ve reached a place of mutual understanding and respect and, as you say, we&#8217;ll see where the data take us.  &hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2975"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/23/#post-4610" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:38:59 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidson,&nbsp;I&#8217;ve too have pondered these questions. &nbsp;I think the plant experiments you are referring to were referenced in the &#8220;Secret Life of Plants,&#8221; and is the work of <a title="Cleve Backster" href="http://www.nytimes.com/news/the-lives-they-lived/2013/12/21/cleve-backster/" rel="nofollow ugc">Cleve Backster</a>. His work was subject to scathing attacks by skeptics and, in their favor, he did not work under strict laboratory conditions so his work was easily discr&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2967"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/23/#post-4601" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:35:30 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great, Duane &#8211; I have some reading to do&#8230;</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 05:34:52 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Duane,     I agree with your &#8220;rational knowing&#8221; versus &#8220;direct knowing&#8221; differentiation &#8211; it is an extremely important one in these discussions.   As was alluded to in the conversation with Davidson, objective and subjective are radically different domains and care must be taken when cross-referencing from one to the other. Phenomenologists and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2959"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4590" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 05:34:52 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Duane,  &nbsp;I agree with your &#8220;rational knowing&#8221; versus &#8220;direct knowing&#8221; differentiation &#8211; it is an extremely important one in these discussions.&nbsp;As was alluded to in the conversation with Davidson, objective and subjective are radically different domains and care must be taken when cross-referencing from one to the other. Phenomenologists and my&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2956"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4590" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:01:53 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for replying, Jon. You&#8217;ve raised some questions that I can address.  You say you need a &#8220;test for reasonableness&#8221;:   &#8220;&#8230;I can’t accept all interpretations of experiences (because they contradict each other), so I have to find a way to choose which to look into – and that way can’t be just by gut prejudices, but must be based on fairly a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2952"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4585" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:01:53 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for replying, Jon. You&#8217;ve raised some questions that I can address.  You say you need a &#8220;test for reasonableness&#8221;:&nbsp;&#8220;&#8230;I can’t accept all interpretations of experiences (because they contradict each other), so I have to find a way to choose which to look into – and that way can’t be just by gut prejudices, but must be based on fairly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2950"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4585" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:37:41 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidson,   I agree with your point that we&#8217;re talking about mental experiences or processes, not sensory experiences (at least not in the way that ordinary sensory experiences are taken in). Sure, there may well be anomalous physical phenomena &#8220;out there&#8221; (UFO&#8217;s, etc.) but I expect the vast majority of phenomena that are believed to be &#8220;out the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2944"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4582" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:14:09 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidson,&nbsp;I agree with your assessment of personal versus empirical &#8220;truth.&#8221; That was a very poignant story illustrating your point.&nbsp;I would add that there are types of mental phenomena that _can_ be evaluated objectively and shared. Mathematics and logic are purely mental exercises, for instance. Because we have developed a shared language, s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2939"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4580" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:59:59 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Duane. These are not isolated cases. Anomalous informational &#8220;experiences&#8221; are a pervasive phenomena spanning from the dawn of history to the present scientific age. Well-meaning skeptics have attempted to suppress popular mystical &#8220;face-value&#8221; interpretations (i.e. telepathy is exactly as it seems, not a mere coincidence &#8211; a ghost r&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2936"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4578" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:48:39 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidson, you raise a great point which is the core issue of any phenomenological research&#8230; that is, how do we objectively confirm what is essentially a personal subjective experience?&nbsp;As you point out, the woman having the alien births could be lying/acting, or she could be deluded, or, though few of us would buy it, she could be telling the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2933"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/22/#post-4576" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:54:20 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my personal take on the &#8220;Living Universe&#8221; discussion:&nbsp;1) Elisabet Sahtouris&#8217; &#8220;autopoiesis&#8221; argument aside (I did not fully understand her argument), I see no evidence for the universe being a self-replicating living being in the same way that a biological organism is alive. Planets and galaxies do not have nervous systems. They do not&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2931"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/21/#post-4574" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:20:45 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; To me, your arguments seem to come from a need to fit everything into a particular worldview &#8211; one that assures us that there is &#8220;nothing out of the ordinary.&#8221; And I am sure you see my arguments as the opposite &#8211; that I am trying to make something out of nothing.   I appreciate you sharing your personal (&#8220;mystical&#8221;) experience. As you kno&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2930"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/21/#post-4573" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:15:03 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; thanks for explaining your reasoning. While I still do not see the &#8220;diminishing effect&#8221; over time that you mentioned, indeed the effect in Bems&#8217; and others&#8217; data is relatively small. This should not come as a surprise &#8211; if these effects were large then they would be incontrovertible.  Anomalous information effects are close enough to c&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2822"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/20/#post-4431" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:04:24 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this discussion about life being &#8220;simply mechanical&#8221; versus &#8220;something more&#8221; to be quite fascinating from a human point of view. What I see here are two very different world views, each claiming to be valid. On the one hand, Jon, Ursula and others feel that we mostly understand the processes of life and are perhaps even now able to create&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2821"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/19/#post-4419" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this discussion about life being &#8220;simply mechanical&#8221; versus &#8220;something more&#8221; to be quite fascinating from a human point of view. What I see here are two very different world views, each claiming to be valid. On the one had, Jon, Ursula and others feel that we mostly understand the processes of life and are perhaps even now able to create&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2810"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/19/#post-4419" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 20:43:11 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Jon: &#8220;Looking over those, I don’t see anything that changes my earlier statement – that the closer these possible effects are looked at, the smaller and more elusive they become – a hallmark of something that isn’t real.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ok, well your argument is based on you &#8220;looking over&#8221; the citations that I gave, however your claim that &#8220;that&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2811"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/19/#post-4418" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:21:13 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane: &#8220;I recently discovered a wonderful dialogue underway that I highly recommend as it is so relevant to the conversation here:  <strong>Sheldrake-Shermer Dialogue on the Nature of Science, May thru July</strong><a href="http://www.thebestschools.org/special/sheldrake-shermer-dialogue-nature-of-science/#TOC " rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thebestschools.org/special/sheldrake-shermer-dialogue-nature-of-science/#TOC </a>&#8221;&nbsp;Great conversation!  I will read through it all.  &#038;n&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2747"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4368" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 04:02:59 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer:  &#8220;My brother in law is hooked on reading the posts . . . says we should charge admission.&#8221;&nbsp;Smiles.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 03:51:19 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Hi Jon &#8211; thanks for addressing my comments.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed: &#8220;Personally, I’ve moved past such arguments – there is a TON of evidence regarding anomalous information transfer.  Others can wait for “extraordinary proof” to emerge that will put down even the most extreme skeptic, however I’ve grown impatient as the data mounts in favor of a tru&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2700"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4336" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 10:21:14 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also been traveling in Europe. We&#8217;re kicking off an immersive concert tour of &#8220;Ceremony&#8221; featuring James Hood (<a href="https://vimeo.com/112149923" rel="nofollow ugc">https://vimeo.com/112149923</a>) with three performances in Germany, including an underwater Liquid Sound concert at TOSKANA THERME BAD SULZA (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/o729hap" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/o729hap</a>). Next performance at Planetarium Hamb&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2688"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4331" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 21:36:26 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karen. Yes, interesting writeup on Wikipedia (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe</a>):&nbsp;&#8220;Physicist <a title="Paul Davies" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies" rel="nofollow ugc">Paul Davies</a> has asserted that &#8220;There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned&#8217; for life&#8221;. However, he continues, &#8220;the conclusion is not so much that the Universe is fin&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2660"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4311" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 10:04:44 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen:  &#8220;Like Ursula, I feel that life evolved all on its own&#8230;Evolution, for me, is a given, requires no mystical explanation, and I am somewhat shocked we are debating it.&#8221;Jon: &#8220;Karen, I have the same view as you and Ursula – I don’t see any evidence for, nor need for, some external guidance.&#8221;&nbsp;Who is resorting to mysticism or external guid&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2658"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4309" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 09:42:12 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane: &#8220;I see the universe in a very different manner than human biological systems. My years of laboratory research as a subject in psi research persuaded me there is an ecology of consciousness infusing the universe that can operate in a non-local fashion–therefore my question about the universe: <em>If something is conscious, can it be co&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2657"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4307" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 09:42:12 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane: &#8220;I see the universe in a very different manner than human biological systems. My years of laboratory research as a subject in psi research persuaded me there is an ecology of consciousness infusing the universe that can operate in a non-local fashion–therefore my question about the universe: <em>If something is conscious, can it be co&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2656"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4307" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2015 01:17:33 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane: &#8220;I’d like to clear up what seems to be a misunderstanding. Earlier you wrote that I “believe that some special guidance is needed to form anything we see (life, trees, bugs, us) from the materials we have (carbon, other atoms, sunshine).” I do not believe that “special guidance” is required from some external (supernatural?) force. Ra&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2645"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4294" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2015 00:34:36 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon. No offense taken. I will accept the challenge of carefully framing my hypothesis for review including testable predictions as Ursula suggests. I&#8217;m busy too &#8211; it may take a few days to turn this around.&nbsp;Jon: &#8216;“the scientific establishment is biased against my ideas” is not a valid argument, and instead is a sign of pseudosci&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2646"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4290" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 06:22:32 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon,   I appreciate you taking the time to express your reactions to some of my statements. From my perspective, I do feel a bit &#8220;attacked&#8221; here by you and Ursula too. There are a lot of acquisitions (inquisitions?) being made about me using methods of &#8220;pseudoscience,&#8221; as if I&#8217;m being branded as a witch or something. That sort of branding of o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2622"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4276" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 15:39:33 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursula: &#8220;Let’s try to keep things classy.&#8221;&nbsp;Agreed.  Guess I was feeling ganged up on by you guys. Scientific thinkers and rationalists often have an almost knee-jerk reaction against anything that even remotely sounds religious &#8211; especially creationism and intelligent design. I do feel it is important to keep religion out of science, however I al&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2605"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4262" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 13:14:37 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Davidson, Thank you for your thoughtful comments.   I suppose when referring to &#8220;intelligence&#8221; it&#8217;s not in the sense of acting wisely or compassionately. Neither people nor the universe seem to follow our common sense ideas about acting wisely or compassionately. How many mass extinctions have there been?  Senseless loss of life in natural d&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2599"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4256" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 13:14:37 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Davidson, Thank you for your thoughtful comments.&nbsp;I suppose when referring to &#8220;intelligence&#8221; it&#8217;s not in the sense of acting wisely or compassionately. Neither people nor the universe seem to follow our common sense ideas about acting wisely or compassionately. How many mass extinctions have there been?  Senseless loss of life in natural&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2598"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4256" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 07:04:01 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursula: &#8220;As per several comments above, the operant feature of origin-of-life scenarios is selection, not chance, working over hundreds of millions of years and presumably generating early entities that were far less complex than modern organisms.&#8221;&nbsp;Nice theory, Ursula. It&#8217;s what they taught me in school. But to promote such a story as fact is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2596"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4254" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 04:30:08 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,&nbsp;Well perhaps I overstated my case by calling this a &#8220;raging debate&#8221; &#8211; maybe it is better classified as a &#8220;simmering debate.&#8221;  In any case, I&#8217;ve been seeing a lot more theorists stepping out on a limb and positing that the universe may not be as random as we think, or that consciousness might be a fundamental property of matter. I&#8217;ll pull&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2594"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4252" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 21:10:14 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursula: &#8220;&#8230;it’s my understanding that the term “information” is used in computation theory, theoretical physics, and quantum computational contexts in a very different way than it is used the semiotic contexts. In the former it refers to the signal itself; in the latter it refers to what the signal is about, its meaning. Hence to say that becau&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2587"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4247" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 19:46:10 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;life cannot have had a random beginning&#8230;The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes, and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in 10 to the 40,000power, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup. If one is not prejudiced either by&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2584"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4244" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 18:26:20 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursula: &#8220;The fine-tuning trope carries the implication of there being a fine tuner. I for one prefer the concept that in at least one universe of the multiverse, the fundamental constants happened to be such that stable matter could exist and complexify, and in at least one patch of that universe, conditions were such that stable carbon-based&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2582"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4242" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 16:27:48 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ursula &#8211; Carbon is formed in stars through a &#8220;triple alpha&#8221; process which was previously unknown and thought to be improbable. Hoyle recognized that there had to be a way for carbon to form and hypothesized a quirky resonance  that would allow it.  Some use this as evidence that the anthropic principle has predictive power. This from Wi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2580"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4239" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 16:27:48 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ursula &#8211; Carbon is formed in stars through a &#8220;triple alpha&#8221; process which was previously unknown and thought to be improbable. Hoyle recognized that there had to be a way for carbon to form and hypothesized a quirky resonance  that would allow it.  Some use this as evidence that the anthropic principle has predictive power. This from Wi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2579"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4239" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2015 19:41:25 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Hi Karen &#8211; Yes I love that quote from Sir Fred Hoyle because it sums up the intuitive impressions of a number of physicists and cosmologists. There is also this notion that the universe (including numerous physical constants) seems to be &#8220;fine tuned&#8221; for life as we know it. There are an array of physical constants which, if varied even sli&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2565"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4226" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2015 19:41:25 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Hi Karen &#8211; Yes I love that quote from Sir Fred Hoyle because it sums up the intuitive impressions of a number of physicists and cosmologists. There is also this notion that the universe (including numerous physical constants) seems to be &#8220;fine tuned&#8221; for life as we know it. There are an array of physical constants which, if varied even sli&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2564"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4226" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2015 07:21:12 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Ursula, thanks for passing along the critique of your neuroscientist colleague. However it doesn&#8217;t seem fair to have him/her critiquing from the sidelines anonymously.  I&#8217;d like to directly address your friend. Can you get him/her to join our thread, perhaps? Otherwise it is a &#8220;hit-and-run&#8221; conversation. Anyway, I&#8217;ll clarify some nuances of my&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2563"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4224" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Quantum Consciousness: Is the Universe Intelligent? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 00:00:08 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Hi Duane,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt; Thanks for the kind words. Yes, it can be a lot to take in!  It would be great to chat sometime. I&#8217;m based in downtown LA. &#8211; E&lt;/p&gt;</p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2015 01:53:12 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;p&gt;Karen, glad you found my comments on entropy useful.  Thermodynamics can be confusing but it does boil down to some very basic concepts. The term entropy is also used in information theory. Interestingly, the more random a signal appears, the more information is potentially contained in that signal. So when we probe quantum information and see&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2540"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4207" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 19:44:03 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane writes: &#8220;&#8230;I have one, core question that keeps nagging at me: Can something be consciousness without being alive? If something is conscious then can it be considered “alive”? What connection do you see between these two?&#8221;&nbsp;Excellent question!  This line of thinking challenges our notion of what life is. I do not have a snappy answer, but&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2534"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4202" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Ed Lantz replied to the topic Is the universe a &#34;living system&#34;? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 18:45:20 -0400</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen Chaffee: &#8220;Ed, you may have explained this, but is there a way to experience the material you put in your domes without traveling to one, which is not going to happen for me in the next week, with finals, etc, etc&#8221;&nbsp;Well there are nearly 1300 digital domes in the world. Here is a compendium &#8211; perhaps there is one near&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-2529"><a href="http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4198" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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