Deeptime Network | Karen Chaffee | Activity https://dtnetwork.org/our-members/karenchaffee/activity/ Activity feed for Karen Chaffee. Mon, 22 Jun 2026 05:23:26 -0400 https://buddypress.org/?v=9.1.1 en-US 30 hourly 2 1fee6410f929382794a83bae9974f4ce Karen Chaffee updated new location at Trenton, NJ 08690, USA https://dtnetwork.org/activity/p/24881/ Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:31:21 -0500 0 0bae72ab56167887c51364399e4d5d3a Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/28/#post-5222 Fri, 01 Jan 2016 23:22:29 -0500

Hi, Ed, how good of you read my suggestion.  I’d be very, very interested to see what you think and I hope you didn’t pay too much! As I suggested to Duane, you might want to start in the middle and work forward and backward, as the book opens with a survey of physics that is probably familiar to you but on the other hand, there is a lot of…

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]]> 0 152aa6b953cadb6a63e588d222e9c9bf Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/28/#post-5220 Fri, 01 Jan 2016 21:23:34 -0500 Duane, I didn’t leave you out, I just knew you already purchased the book!

]]> 0 898cfcf04a3753016499d477cd6dd1f7 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/28/#post-5219 Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:48:42 -0500 Hi, Ed, Mike and Jon, after reading the back and forth of your last three posts, I’d like to  reiterate that Lee Smolin has done the heavy lifting for you regarding these topics in his book “The Life of the Cosmos.”  The book is available in my local library and probably yours.    He is an established physicist who examined the similarities be…[Read more]

]]> 0 d4d2ac6fb2686a575a62209c9061f4a7 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5102 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 19:31:36 -0500 Hi, Duane, how kind of you to order the book on my recommendation. It took me many months to read it; as I said, I found it in the library when this conversation first started.      Looking back on it, I think I might have done better to start with the chapter What is Life  (p. 141-160) , and work backwards and forwards, because the exci…[Read more]

]]> 0 63b5b8a864492b09b529f0a4aff080c9 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-7483 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:35:58 -0500 BTW, I’m sorry my spacing is a bit off. I was correcting it when I got kicked off the computer in the library. (I refuse to have internet in my house, because I spend all my time on the web!) At least my spaces are too big, rather than too small. And I’m grateful to have this page to share my ideas (and Lee Smolin’s. I hope you will agree,…[Read more]

]]> 0 a3c2bd17c9426eae0c476bbd3cfcb7a2 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-7482 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:35:58 -0500 Hi, Duane, how kind of you to order the book on my recommendation. It took me many months to read it; as I said, I found it in the library when this conversation first started. Looking back on it, I think I might have done better to start with the chapter What is Life (p. 141-160) , and work backwards and forwards, because the excitement…[Read more]

]]> 0 829519f9164e37eb31c15ccb4708374e Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5096 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 22:46:54 -0500 BTW, I’m sorry my spacing is a bit off.  I was correcting it when I got kicked off the computer in the library.  (I refuse to have internet in my house, because I spend all my time on the web!)  At least my spaces are too big, rather than too small.  And I’m grateful to have this page to share my ideas (and Lee Smolin’s. I hope you will agree, pe…[Read more]

]]> 0 29dae759315fb65736c96350c425fdbf Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5093 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:47:58 -0500       Duane asked me to post more interesting stuff from “Life of the Cosmos” By Lee Smolin. Here is an outline of one chapter, “What is Life” page 141 to 160. There are interesting ideas contained.   p141-142. Ideas of Newton and Plato are reviewed. Smolin says their ideas lack the idea of evolution, change. Plato and Newton thought a God outside…[Read more]

]]> 0 239877f3cc168c083af07b4dcb953586 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5093 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:47:58 -0500       Duane asked me to post more interesting stuff from “Life of the Cosmos” By Lee Smolin. Here is an outline of one chapter, “What is Life” page 141 to 160. There are interesting ideas contained.    p141-142. Ideas of Newton and Plato are reviewed. Smolin says their ideas lack the idea of evolution, change. Plato and Newton thought a God outs…[Read more]

]]> 0 536bbd3ff08405195bcc2ed791fc56ef Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5093 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:47:58 -0500    Duane asked me to post more interesting stuff from “Life of the Cosmos” By Lee Smolin. Here is an outline of one chapter, “What is Life” page 141 to 160. There are interesting ideas contained.  141-142. Ideas of Newton and Plato are reviewed. Smolin says their ideas lack the idea of evolution, change. Plato and Newton thought a God outside the…[Read more]

]]> 0 bb83f7dfe46d11a199baa3f28804d533 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-7486 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:35:58 -0500 Duane asked me to post more interesting stuff from “Life of the Cosmos” By Lee Smolin. Here is an outline of one chapter, “What is Life” page 141 to 160. There are interesting ideas contained.141-142. Ideas of Newton and Plato are reviewed. Smolin says their ideas lack the idea of evolution, change. Plato and Newton thought a God outside the uni…[Read more]

]]> 0 2b0d9101e0be2fccb29d20335c93b17d Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/26/#post-5089 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:23:04 -0500 Thank you, Duane.   I think this book might represent the ‘third option’ Mike Bell speaks of.   It is very scientific, from a noted scientist.    It addresses the question “Is the universe alive” in a serious, scholarly  way.  It presents not only Smolin’s ideas (a small part of the book) but it functions as a literature survey paper for the que…[Read more]

]]> 0 480e8ad205f7ce40b4e8d72e49ab5739 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-7487 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:57:06 -0500 Thank you, Duane. I think this book might represent the ‘third option’ Mike Bell speaks of. It is very scientific, from a noted scientist. It addresses the question “Is the universe alive” in a serious, scholarly way. It presents not only Smolin’s ideas (a small part of the book) but it functions as a literature survey paper for the…[Read more]

]]> 0 8eb7e4d5c43c1c8c6cb2a5e8187fca22 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/25/#post-5055 Mon, 02 Nov 2015 22:38:59 -0500 While this discussion was still hot, I discovered book by Lee Smolin , The Life of the Cosmos, that is perfect for our conversation.   But I didn’t finish reading it.  I hope a few people might come back to hear what he has to say now.  The book published in 1997 is likely dated, but the issues he addresses didn’t go away. Lee Smolin is a well…[Read more]

]]> 0 5c4c7417ae8ca2e1d41631557a42ae6a Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/27/#post-7492 Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:57:06 -0500 While this discussion was still hot, I discovered book by Lee Smolin , The Life of the Cosmos, that is perfect for our conversation. But I didn’t finish reading it then. I hope a few people might come back to hear what he has to say now. The book published in 1997 is likely dated, but the issues he addresses didn’t go away. Lee Smolin is a w…[Read more]

]]> 0 fe6258d3dd2d9b97d716c784a95b439e Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4312 Sat, 23 May 2015 21:03:33 -0400 Ed I don’t understand quantum physics enough to evaluate your hypothesis, as others here have. However, I am slowly looking at the articles you posted.  The one by Penrose is way beyond me, but the points regarding consciousness in the introduction, I have already read about.  I read (tried to read) his book Emperor’s New Mind which was too di…[Read more]

]]> 0 28f6baa3d670a2dffa2a2981e4920b90 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/17/#post-4310 Fri, 22 May 2015 13:07:45 -0400 Hey, Jon, until Ed replied to you, I interpreted your post to me differently.  I thought you said that there was no reason to read a lot of physics  and argue against the fine tuning since it enjoyed scientific consensus anyway.  Ed interprets your sentence apparently to mean it doesn’t enjoy scientific consensus.  So I don’t know what you fee…[Read more]

]]> 0 4ab01211989d25a7ce1a16c9509d91e4 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/16/#post-4289 Wed, 20 May 2015 23:17:23 -0400 Hi, Duane.  I am very sorry I mischaracterized your thinking.  It is a little more clear now, thanks.  I think Ursula answered your question basically the same as I would have, maybe better, so I will sit back and let the debate continue.

]]> 0 05459876c0c46aec88a2492585943669 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4273 Wed, 20 May 2015 05:26:11 -0400  Hey, Jon, I  want to apologize for my tone. Because of your last name, all this time I was under the impression that you were the moderator of this site.  I’m sorry, stupid me, I did.  And I thought as moderator, you were dismissing my topic.  I am sorry!  I just read your bio.  You have every right to dismiss me if you are not moderator!  If yo…[Read more]

]]> 0 597d11a21aed7cecb7ebb6a8ba21df5e Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4273 Wed, 20 May 2015 05:26:11 -0400  Hey, Jon, I  want to apologize for my tone. Because of your last name, all this time I was under the impression that you were the moderator of this site.  Ha ha, no but honestly I did.  And I thought as moderator, you were dismissing my topic.  I am sorry!  I just read your bio.  You have every right to dismiss me if you are not moderator!  If yo…[Read more]

]]> 0 2ab47bab26c14f54e7b6bb8733d3abb8 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4272 Wed, 20 May 2015 03:54:26 -0400 Hey, Jon, not so.  (The material in my salon would take years of study) .  In fact, the material in Salon One is covered in much less than one lecture in a first year college chemistry course.  In fact, it is presented in non-majors chemistry-for-poets type classes.  Anyone with a science degree should be familiar with it.  In fact, I kind of rush…[Read more]

]]> 0 08f52c5de6d19045bf7a7ded14eb6140 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/15/#post-4263 Tue, 19 May 2015 15:47:17 -0400 I wanted to edit my post to say that electron is the smallest particle in the atom.   But the spacing is lost when I hit edit.   Here is something from wiki: In the physical, known universe we can say that an electron occupies the smallest area and has the least mass. In the quantum mechanical universe we can define the ‘smallest particle’ as a m…[Read more]

]]> 0 8b5217739aad2e2e9f14ac09875dc137 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4260 Tue, 19 May 2015 15:29:29 -0400 I had three salons (meetings to discuss) in my home about chemical bonding.   I tried to use activities and demos to present difficult material, my attempt at ‘storytelling’!  Storytelling is much, much, much, much harder than I thought!    You can read about it all  in my forum (Carbon, mystery and wonder)    Jennifer asked me to present a “Just…[Read more]

]]> 0 34e556b43a904d6c25821c3432f20a89 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4260 Tue, 19 May 2015 15:29:29 -0400 I had three salons (meetings to discuss) in my home about chemical bonding.   I tried to use activities and demos to present difficult material, my attempt at ‘storytelling’!  Storytelling is much, much, much, much harder than I thought!    You can read about it all  in my forum (Carbon, mystery and wonder)  Jennifer asked me to present a “Just…[Read more]

]]> 0 0e43b335c3204a02204196497037b790 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/14/#post-4249 Mon, 18 May 2015 22:56:04 -0400 Jennifer, I worked on my post and will add it first thing tomorrow.  Busy day. Wow, fourteen pages!  

]]> 0 53c16a7414f7935c4eede0ccd4624f63 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4237 Mon, 18 May 2015 02:25:56 -0400 Thanks, Ursula, are you responding to my question regarding given the correct constants (strong nuclear force, etc)  is carbon formation in our universe likely?  The article is interesting, I have read about a third, but it will take me time to finish.  

]]> 0 8b92be89c268ef3cf736155468eeb22f Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4232 Mon, 18 May 2015 01:21:45 -0400 Ed, I actually think what you are doing is interesting. Like David Deutsch, you are at least addressing some of these questions. I may never understand what you say, much less believe, but I enjoy reading and thinking about big questions, even if as you say, they may be unknowable.

]]> 0 462177ea5891f80e66aeaf069157929c Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4232 Mon, 18 May 2015 01:21:45 -0400 Ed, I actually think what you are doing is interesting. Like David Deutsch, you are at least addressing some of these questions. I may never understand, much less believe, but I enjoy reading and thinking about big questions, even if as you say, they may be unknowable.

]]> 0 2b10e55e13d04d5acd51aeab60ca1936 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4232 Mon, 18 May 2015 01:21:45 -0400 Ed, I actually think what you are doing is interesting. Like David Deutsch, you are at least addressing some of these questions. I may never understand, much less believe, but I enjoy reading and thinking about big questions, even if as you say, they may be unknowable.

]]> 0 3c923dab300b2a5b80805b40ce76c9d1 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4231 Mon, 18 May 2015 01:17:17 -0400 Let me stress, all these parameters (see my above response to Ursula) were in play one second after the big bang.  Subsequently, I think the formation of carbon is _likely_ (I might be very misinformed here, it isn’t my field)   and the formation of life _likely_ (this at least is my field)      If you want to read about that, go to the very last…[Read more]

]]> 0 9533d0a7c9933e0176ef4a4749022432 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4231 Mon, 18 May 2015 01:17:17 -0400 Let me stress, all these parameters (see my above response to Ursula) were in play one second after the big bang.  Subsequently, I think the formation of carbon is _likely_ (I might be misinformed here)  and the formation of life _likely_ (this at least is my field)   If you want to read about that, go to the very last post in my forum (scroll to…[Read more]

]]> 0 b10a0150227a24310aa1507bece37ec7 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4229 Mon, 18 May 2015 00:51:50 -0400 <p>Ursula, the formation of the carbon nucleus itself is dependant upon some fine tuning of some constants that govern the strong and weak nuclear force and something called the Hoyle state.  I have not read about the Hoyle state, but the strong and weak force form in a fraction of a second after the big bang with the required fine…[Read more]

]]> 0 9ccc86e3a91d37cf9e03ae522a47da04 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4223 Sat, 16 May 2015 22:14:53 -0400 Hi, Ursula, thanks for the link!  That is interesting.    I had read about the anthropic principle years ago, but I forgot about it.   I just tried to read the wiki article.  It  is quite related to this forum discussion, in that it links consciousness and the beginning of the universe, which is when the structure of the universe was decid…[Read more]

]]> 0 12f89b047cbc1c8de20b1b3ba91c9fd6 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/13/#post-4223 Sat, 16 May 2015 22:14:53 -0400 Hi, Ursula, thanks for the link!  That is interesting.    I had read about the anthropic principle years ago, but I forgot about it.   I just tried to read the wiki article.  It  is quite related to this forum discussion, in that it links consciousness and the beginning of the universe, which is when the structure of the universe was decid…[Read more]

]]> 0 639b9e58eabc9b66b16ac367ff6c41ef Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4219 Sat, 16 May 2015 20:03:00 -0400 I’d like to bother everyone to say that although I included this quote from Ed’s post….[As British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle put it:  “Would you not say to yourself, “Some super-calculating intellect must have designed the properties of the carbon atom, otherwise the chance of my finding such an atom through the blind forces of nature would…[Read more]

]]> 0 22663f1bfc65e6e9cae8506e81f771c3 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4218 Sat, 16 May 2015 19:45:24 -0400 Duane, I know you are away, but I enjoyed thinking about your question: do I see a difference between ‘living’, ‘conscious’ , ‘intelligent’ and I will add, ‘wise’.  Can the universe be these things?  Also, I add my question, is it emotionally interesting? Living system:  Can the universe be seen as a living system, with functions analogous to tho…[Read more]

]]> 0 3f2bfd82c299d6fce1c51c8b5b849e10 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4215 Fri, 15 May 2015 16:06:10 -0400 I think the beauty of this web page is the chance for those with disparate views to attempt to see each other’s viewpoint, and in doing so, broaden our collective imaginations.  It’s tough, because science is so specialized, and so is philosophy.    I had meant to post comments on four different topics, but was waiting for time to read some of the…[Read more]

]]> 0 ca14105b8255e956bb39c75bc9c9318b Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4208 Wed, 13 May 2015 16:42:41 -0400 Ed–   “Interestingly, the more random a signal appears, the more information is potentially contained in that signal.”  Interesting, and of course, to me baffling.   By the way, I read the New Yorker Article on quantum computing you suggested–very readable, but when I thought I understood for a few sentences, I read a few more sentences and re…[Read more]

]]> 0 e46796c75809a30e20a7a56352232110 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4203 Tue, 12 May 2015 20:11:26 -0400 However we now know that matter itself – even the vacuum – has vast quantum computational capacity.  What “software applications” are running on this computational substrate?  Is it all really just random noise as most quantum physicists would assert?   Hi Ed, thanks for the reply–this is very interesting!   Or could some portion of our conscio…[Read more]

]]> 0 2c608d1f061e16572ab6f2929af4a35d Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4203 Tue, 12 May 2015 20:11:26 -0400 However we now know that matter itself – even the vacuum – has vast quantum computational capacity.  What “software applications” are running on this computational substrate?  Is it all really just random noise as most quantum physicists would assert? Hi Ed, thanks for the reply–this is very interesting! Or could some portion of our conscious…[Read more]

]]> 0 746c033741fa224207ede519a23c56f6 Karen Chaffee joined the group Definitions https://dtnetwork.org/activity/p/2533/ Tue, 12 May 2015 19:43:04 -0400 0 ccd82a6fb83c87f6c95fd57ad20e54c7 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/12/#post-4201 Tue, 12 May 2015 19:23:02 -0400  I just re-read what Ed wrote about entropy, and it really was very helpful.    Entropy is confusing, but that was a great explanation.  Thanks, Ed.  His entire post was in fact very helpful.

]]> 0 c8f16bf3f3f35323a091a06fcbbe614d Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Matter, Carbon, Mystery and Wonder, a Salon in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/matter-carbon-mystery-and-wonder-a-salon/#post-4197 Tue, 12 May 2015 17:04:37 -0400 Last semester, some of my students wanted to read my salon three post, but I decided it was too hard to read.  So I re-wrote it.  I see I can’t edit the above post, but, what the heck, I’ll just post the edited post.  THIS IS SALON THREE JUST LIKE ABOVE, made more understandable, hopefully, for my students  (and you!!)  SALON THREEThe Salo…[Read more]

]]> 0 bc8307080ef5350e5c41d960104afcce Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Quantum Consciousness: Is the Universe Intelligent? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/quantum-consciousness-is-the-universe-intelligent/#post-4196 Tue, 12 May 2015 16:34:42 -0400 Ed, there is a lot to read here, and thank you for this wonderful list.  I am planning to tackle some of it in the next few weeks. (I plan to start with the New Yorker article, because that magazine is usually right on my level.)   I read slowly.   It would probably work out better for me to do a lot of reading before I make some reply to your pos…[Read more]

]]> 0 484a9c38d05739fcbb6fc87fdb7fc9df Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/11/#post-4195 Tue, 12 May 2015 12:09:09 -0400 <p>Hi, Duane, our inquiries have opened many lines of thought.  Thank you for being the founder and instigator.</p><p> </p><p>I think Guy Murchie is saying that even in a mundane process, the number of energy transitions is enormous.  Entropy is involved, and I need to read to refresh my learning.     </p><p> </p><p>I didn’t respond to your quest…[Read more]

]]> 0 69180ca1f07bdf9ed932fd3861070973 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/11/#post-4195 Tue, 12 May 2015 12:09:09 -0400 <p>Hi, Duane, our inquiries have opened many lines of thought.  Thank you for being the founder and instigator.</p><p> </p><p>I think Guy Murchie is saying that even in a mundane process, the number of energy transitions is enormous.  Entropy is involved, and I need to read to refresh my learning.  Edit:  I just re-read what Ed wrote, and it real…[Read more]

]]> 0 23418c58fe1bb8e9e5453b50f9993829 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/11/#post-4195 Tue, 12 May 2015 12:09:09 -0400 <p>Hi, Duane, our inquiries have opened many lines of thought.  Thank you for being the founder and instigator.</p><p> </p><p>I think Guy Murchie is saying that even in a mundane process, the number of energy transitions is enormous.  Entropy is involved, and I need to read to refresh my learning.</p><p> </p><p>I didn’t respond to your question a…[Read more]

]]> 0 180089937b317c7d9efd5ac1159d5974 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/11/#post-4190 Mon, 11 May 2015 22:31:57 -0400 Duane, referring to your latest post, I was going to wait until I have access to the ‘definitions doc’ , but my casual reading of the last two pages has me thinking people are using the words ‘consciousness’  , ‘conscious’  , ‘living’ and ‘intelligent’ synonymously.     This kind of bugged me, because in my (standard, western) education, ‘liv…[Read more]

]]> 0 d908769d39f52897224bb4dcf4bbc675 Karen Chaffee replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum http://wptaverncommunity.wefoster-platform.co/forums/topic/is-the-universe-a-living-system/page/11/#post-4189 Mon, 11 May 2015 22:18:48 -0400 I’m really behind, but I am just mulling over some ideas on page 11 (let alone page ten) that I think I _can_ mull over even before my questions are answered!  So just randomly:    From Ed: What is the difference between a “biological system” and a “living system?”     There is, I think, a big difference.  I think if the universe is a living syste…[Read more]

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