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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Karen– Thanks for encouraging us to read Smolin’s cosmology. I ordered his book and it arrived yesterday. I’ve been appreciating his creative inquiry!
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Karen– Thanks for sharing insights from Lee Smolin’s book, “The Life of the Cosmos.” I think he is correct in viewing the universe as a self-organizing system in a non-equilibrium condition. I am also intrigued with his suggestion that new universes form every time a star collapses into a black hole. So, please post more of what you found engag…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Karen–Thanks for sharing insights from Lee Smolin’s book, “The Life of the Cosmos.” I think he is correct in viewing the universe as a self-organizing system in a non-equilibrium condition. I am also intrigued with his suggestion that new universes form every time a star collapses into a black hole. So, please post more of what you found engag…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Mike (and others) — This is such a rich conversation that I’m getting behind in responding to postings! I’ll try to catch up. In the meantime, I want to express my appreciation for Mike’s clarification of those taking a living systems perspective:First, we do not deny the validity of science or the scientific method. Second, we are not saying…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Mike (and others) — This is such a rich conversation that I’m getting behind in responding to postings! I’ll try to catch up. In the meantime, I want to express my appreciation for Mike’s clarification of a living systems perspective:
First, we do not deny the validity of science or the scientific method.
Second, we are not saying that li…
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Mike (and others) — This is such a rich conversation that I’m getting behind in responding to postings! I’ll try to catch up. In the meantime, I want to express my appreciation for Mike’s clarification of those taking a living systems perspective:First, we do not deny the validity of science or the scientific method. Second, we are not saying…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Mike– Thanks for looking for a third option or generative middle ground between these two perspectives. I have been wondering about the potential for complementarity among views presented here. Instead of conflicting perspectives, could each offer insights of value to the other? For example, given that 95% of the known universe is invi…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
The Mental Universe, Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, Nature 436:29, 2005. The only reality is mind and observations, but observations are not things. To see the universe as it really is, we must abandon our tendency to conceptualize observations as things. . . . A fundamental conclusion of the…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Manifesto for a Post-Materialist ScienceWe are a group of internationally known scientists, from a variety of scientific fields (biology, neuroscience, psychology, medicine, psychiatry), who participated in an international summit on post-materialist science, spirituality and society. . . . We have come to the following conclusions: 1. The mo…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Manifesto for a Post-Materialist ScienceWe are a group of internationally known scientists, from a variety of scientific fields (biology, neuroscience, psychology, medicine, psychiatry), who participated in an international summit on post-materialist science, spirituality and society. . . . We have come to the following conclusions: 1. The mo…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Manifesto for a Post-Materialist ScienceWe are a group of internationally known scientists, from a variety of scientific fields (biology, neuroscience, psychology, medicine, psychiatry), who participated in an international summit on post-materialist science, spirituality and society. The summit was co-organized by Gary E. Schwartz, PhD…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
The Mental Universe, Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, Nature 436:29, 2005. The only reality is mind and observations, but observations are not things. To see the universe as it really is, we must abandon our tendency to conceptualize observations as things. . . . A fundamental conclusion of the…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Manifesto for a Post-Materialist ScienceWe are a group of internationally known scientists, from a variety of scientific fields (biology, neuroscience, psychology, medicine, psychiatry), who participated in an international summit on post-materialist science, spirituality and society. The summit was co-organized by Gary E. Schwartz, PhD and Mario…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Here’s a lengthy article that I appreciated: “What Does It Mean To Raise A Spiritual Child?” It includes the following quote:
Natural spirituality is a direct sense of listening to the heartbeat of the living universe, of being one with that seen and unseen world, open and at ease in that connection.
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Where is the Big History story "from"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Hi Brandon– In order to say where Big History is “from,” it is first important to say what Big History “is.” If it is about the story of a universe that is non-living at its foundations and without meaning, purpose, or consciousness, then I think it would be accurate to say it is “from” David Christian, Eric Chaisson, and others connected wi…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Ursula– Yes, this theory has been around for quite a while but completely ignored in this conversation until now. I wonder why? You diminish the HuffPo piece as “hype” so here’s another more accessible essay in “Scientific American” which I don’t think falls into the domain of hype. A “Complex” Theory of ConsciousnessIs complexity the sec…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Ursula– Yes, this theory has been around for quite a while but completely ignored in this conversation until now. I wonder why? You diminish the HuffPo piece as “hype” so here’s another more accessible essay in “Scientific American” which I don’t think falls into the domain of hype. A “Complex” Theory of ConsciousnessIs complexity the secret t…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Here is an important contribution to the theory of consciousness that just came up on Huffington Post: Neuroscience’s New Consciousness Theory Is Spiritual
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality”–Carl Sagan
It appears that we are approaching a unique time in the history of man and scienc…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Here is an important contribution to the theory of consciousness that just came up on Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bobby-azarian/post_10079_b_8160914.htmlNeuroscience’s New Consciousness Theory Is Spiritual
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality”–Carl Sagan
It appears that we a…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 10 months ago
Mike– Thanks for the elegant differentiation between “cellular biology as the gold standard for determining life” and the description of the universe as a creative life giving force. I am in agreement with you, Plato and Marcus Aurelius.
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