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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Ed— I agree with your working hypothesis that the brain can access nonlocal quantum information. Earlier I cited an example of this in the national survey by the respected Pew Research Center which found that, in 2009, 49 percent of the American adult population had some kind of experience of communion with the larger universe.* There were appr…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Mike, Thanks for introducing the importance of context and a third option; namely, “what if we assumed that Earth as we know it is dying?” Out of curiosity, I went to Google and put in the question, “Is Mars dead or alive” and got over 9 million results! This suggests you are raising a powerful question.
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Here’s the opening paragraphs of an interesting article challenging the logic of materialism that has been circulating the Internet the past ten days. I’d be interested in reflections: You Have to Be Conscious to Deny Consciousness, and Other Conundrums Evolution News & Views July 6, 2015 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/07/you_have_to_be097421…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Here’s the opening paragraph of an interesting article challenging the logic of materialism that has been circulating the Internet the past ten days. I’d be interested in reflections: You Have to Be Conscious to Deny Consciousness, and Other ConundrumsEvolution News & Views July 6, 2…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Mike— Thanks for joining this conversation. You ask the core question: “What can we learn from this discussion that will help us ensure that our part of the universe, Earth, will continue to live”? In this regard, I appreciated your suggestion that we can hold different expressions of “aliveness” at the same time. As I’ve written earlier, I d…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Mike— Thanks for joining this conversation. You ask the core question: “What can we learn from this discussion that will help us ensure that our part of the universe, Earth, will continue to live”? In this regard, I appreciated your suggestion that we can hold different expressions of “aliveness” at the same time. As I’ve written earlier, I…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
One indication of science beginning to transform itself from within is work of the “Open Sciences” organization. See the Open Sciences website: http://www.opensciences.org/ The organization describes itself as: “Dedicated to Open-minded Science.” The Summary Report of the International Summit on Post-Materialist Science can be downloaded at: h…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Ursula — Are you saying you have never heard of scientists doing secret research “cooking the books” for public consumption? Where have you been living? I was a subject in these experiments, not a researcher. I have zero trust in the CIA coming forward with its full findings.
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Jon– You are basing your conclusions about the SRI research on very incomplete information. I am sitting here with the original SRI reports and original data sheets and what is found online (in the public record) is missing a great deal of information (I cannot tell you why–perhaps you should ask the CIA which declared the work secret and t…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Jon– You are basing your conclusions about the SRI research on very incomplete information. I am sitting here with the original SRI reports and original data sheets and what is found online (in the public record) is missing a great deal of information (I cannot tell you why–perhaps you should ask the CIA which declared the work secret and t…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Jon– You are basing your conclusions about the SRI research on very incomplete information. I am sitting here with the original SRI reports and original data sheets and what is found online (in the public record) is missing a great deal of information (I cannot tell you why–perhaps you should ask the CIA which declared the work secret and then…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Here is an article presenting the view that consciousness is the primary reality that may be of interest to some: “The Reality of Consciousness” by Peter Russell:
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Here is an article presenting the view that consciousness is the primary reality that may be of interest to some: “The Reality of Consciousness” by Peter Russell:
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Here is an article presenting the view that consciousness is the primary reality that may be of interest to some: “The Reality of Consciousness” by Peter Russell: http://www.peterrussell.com/Odds/RealityConsc.pdf
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 11 months ago
Jon– You write: ”
If we were going to believe things based on first hand experience, then we’d have to believe that the mormon gold plates are real (proven the testimony of 9 witnesses of their first hand experience), and that Paul was teleported to the 3rd heaven (as he states in 2Cor 12:2), that prayer to Allah can allow one to pull crystals fr…
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 12 months ago
Jon– I’ve leaving in a few minutes for meetings all this week so cannot reply substantively. I could send along statistics to you (perhaps next week) but I can say with great confidence that, from first-hand experience, gained over a three year period in laboratory experiments at SRI, there is unquestionably an “ecology of consciousness” and this…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 12 months ago
Davidson– Your question does not make sense to me. What I want is to explore the nature of reality. What is the nature of the universe in which we live?
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 12 months ago
Jon– I’ve written to Prof. Leander to ask whether he views Erythropsidinium as a mechanical device whose operations are understood. He just replied and does agree, “. . . that the function of the ocelloid involves straightforward molecular (cellular) mechanisms organized in a very novel way.” I’ve further inquired whether he thinks these are s…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 12 months ago
Jon– You write: “The article shows nothing that requires anything beyond simple mechanical systems.” And, “There is no mystery in that cell – it works by well understood mechanical devices. . . . the motions and responses are the direct result of understood molecular machines.” And, “. . .the mechanisms that make it work are understood.” I accep…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 10 years, 12 months ago
Jon– The article describes a single celled organism without any neural structure that is “pointing its ocelloid in different directions.” It is looking for its prey, not simply passively and mechanically responding to its environment, and it is doing this without any nerves or brain. There is choiceful or deliberate action as it actively s…[Read more]
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