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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Greetings Stephan,Thanks for these thoughtful and insightful contributions to our conversation. I don’t have any “answers” but you certainly raise important questions and offer stimulating insights that make me think freshly about this theme! I agree that it would be wonderful to have biologists (and cosmologists) weigh in on the fascinating i…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
As context for this inquiry, I want to say that I view all paradigms as provisional and evolving as our understanding of the universe grows and deepens. Therefore, I consider a living universe paradigm as provisional and very much open to change as our knowledge of the universe develops. We are in a time of deep change in how reality is understood…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Yes, let’s focus the conversation. Metabolism does seem like a good place to start. David Christian describes “metabolism” as the ability to take in energy from surroundings to keep systems going. In turn, my understanding of current science is that it requires vast amounts of energy for the universe to maintain itself as a flow-through system. I…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell, I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell,I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell, I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell, I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell,I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell, I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
Dear Lowell,I’ll give a simple answer to a very important and complex question: I assume there are meaningful distinctions in “consciousness” in the sense that I assume that every “thing” has a consciousness that uniquely fits its form and function. For example, scientific research indicates there is some kind of self-organizing capacity (and “k…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin started the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 2 months ago
An extensive conversation has been underway on the Deep Time Journey Facebook page regarding the issue of whether it is scientifically valid to consider our universe as a living system. I would like to use the criteria from Big History as a basis for a constructive debate for this foundational topic. From the big history project (and the work of…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin posted a new activity comment 11 years, 2 months ago
Lawrence: You raise a vitally important question: “Why do we care whether we label the Universe alive or dead. . . ?”
Here are five reasons why I think it is important to honor the universe as a living system:
1. Transformed Identity: In the paradigm of scientific materialism, we are no more than bio-chemical beings—evolutionary accidents w…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin posted a new activity comment 11 years, 2 months ago
Lawrence: You raise a vitally important question: “Why do we care whether we label the Universe alive or dead. . . ?”
What value does a living systems perspective contribute to big history? Importantly, a living systems paradigm includes the co-evolution of culture and consciousness as an important aspect of the human journey. Through…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin posted a new activity comment 11 years, 2 months ago
SUMMARIZING THE SCIENCE OF A LIVING UNIVERSE
(from Chapter 2, “The Living Universe” by Duane Elgin; Importantly, this summary does not include the extensive footnotes found in my book)It is important to recognize that, within the scientific community, there is no widely accepted definition of “life.” To illustrate the difficulty scienti…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin posted a new activity comment 11 years, 2 months ago
Summary Science of a Living Universe
(from Chapter 2, “The Living Universe” by Duane Elgin; Importantly, this summary does not include the extensive footnotes found in my book)It is important to recognize that, within the scientific community, there is no widely accepted definition of “life.” To illustrate the difficulty scientists are enc…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin posted a new activity comment 11 years, 2 months ago
Summary Science of a Living Universe
(from Chapter 2, “The Living Universe” by Duane Elgin)It is important to recognize that, within the scientific community, there is no widely accepted definition of “life.” To illustrate the difficulty scientists are encountering, there is no clear demarcation between the living and non-living realms.…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin wrote a new post, The Buddha Awakening, Integral Expanding, and a Second Axial Age for Humanity 11 years, 5 months ago
Ken Wilber has stated that one of history’s most important spiritual teachers, the Buddha, was “half-enlightened” because he realized only the experience of cessation and not the full, nondual experience of integ […]

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Duane Elgin replied to the topic The Future of Big History in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 8 months ago
I appreciate your clarification Jonathan. I do not view exploration of the universe as a unique kind of living system as either “theistic” or “atheistic” but rather inquiry in a different territory than those two terms imply. My interest is in exploring whether it is scientifically valid to describe the universe as fundamentally “alive”…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic The Future of Big History in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 8 months ago
<p><p>I appreciate your clarification Jonathan. I do not view exploration of the universe as a unique kind of living system as either “theistic” or “atheistic” but rather inquiry in a different territory than those two terms imply. My interest is in exploring whether it is scientifically valid to describe the universe as fundamentally “alive”…[Read more]
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Duane Elgin replied to the topic The Future of Big History in the forum Deeptime Network Forum 11 years, 8 months ago
<p class=”p1″>I appreciate your clarification Jonathan. I do not view exploration of the universe as a unique kind of living system as either “theistic” or “atheistic” but rather inquiry in a different territory than those two terms imply. My interest is in exploring whether it is scientifically valid to describe the universe as fundamen…[Read more]
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