Jon Cleland Host

 Duane-       As you had proposed, we were having an orderly discussion of a specific question – “does the universe fit David Christian’s definition of being “alive”, starting with the first part of that definition, “having a metabolism”.   It is clear that we have not resolved that question, nor agreed on points ((A)) through ((H)).  You have…[Read more]

  OK, I’m back.   I’ll quickly respond to your most recent post, then continue on the points ((F)) – ((H))  ((A))  Apology accepted.  Thanks.  : )  ((C)) – Let’s not bring in additional topics such as branes until we resolved the current ones.  So far, it doesn’t seem clear to me that we’ve resolved a single point, much less resolved whether the u…[Read more]

  OK, I’m back.   I’ll quickly respond to your most recent post, then continue on the points ((F)) – ((H)) ((A))  Apology accepted.  Thanks.  : ) ((C)) – Let’s not bring in additional topics such as branes until we resolved the current ones.  So far, it doesn’t seem clear to me that we’ve resolved a single point, much less resolved whether the u…[Read more]

 OK, I’m back.   I’ll quickly respond to your most recent post, then continue on the points ((F)) – ((H))((A))  Apology accepted.  Thanks.  : )((C)) – Let’s not bring in additional topics such as branes until we resolved the current ones.  So far, it doesn’t seem clear to me that we’ve resolved a single point, much less resolved whether the univ…[Read more]

 Hi Duane-    Yes, we are both very busy, and that’s OK.  There is no rush.  If you’d prefer I wait to reply after you put in a partial reply, so you can put the rest of the reply up, just let me know and I’ll wait.   I had just split up a post like that yesterday.     To keep things from getting messed up, I went back and labelled the curren…[Read more]

Sorry for the delay.  Here is my response continued.((G))Duane wrote:

***you offer the statement that the physicist, Dr. David Bohm “was regularly fooled by charlatans.” I am interested in the actual data that supports this important assertion.  ***

  Yes, it is always quite fair to ask for support for any claim.  Here is a start – though there i…[Read more]

Sorry for the delay.  Here is my response continued. Duane wrote:

***you offer the statement that the physicist, Dr. David Bohm “was regularly fooled by charlatans.” I am interested in the actual data that supports this important assertion.  ***

  Yes, it is always quite fair to ask for support for any claim.  Here is a start – though there is more…[Read more]

  Duane –         Thanks for the response.   I would like to add that I greatly appreciate your work and contributions, and see a lot of positive impact in our world from you and  your work, and am  honored to be friends with you.  That’s regardless of whether or not we’ll find points where we disagree.  you wrote:*** In that spirit, I question yo…[Read more]

  Duane –         Thanks for the response.   I would like to add that I greatly appreciate your work and contributions, and see a lot of positive impact in our world from you and  your work, and am  honored to be friends with you.  That’s regardless of whether or not we’ll find points where we disagree.  you wrote:*** In that spirit, I question yo…[Read more]

 Duane –       Thanks for the response.   I would like to add that I greatly appreciate your work and contributions, and see a lot of positive impact in our world from you and  your word, and am  honored to be friends with you.  That’s regardless of whether or not we’ll find points where we disagree. you wrote:*** In that spirit, I question yo…[Read more]

 Good conversation, (and, Linda, welcome!).     OK, so metabolism being the ability to take in energy from the surroundings to keep systems going, the first question that comes up with me is “what ‘surroundings’ are we referring to?”.   Since the Universe is by definition everything, it seems that there aren’t any clear “surroundings” to take an…[Read more]

 Duane-        Thanks for opening the discussion here.   This could be an easier venue to work in than facebook.   I suspect that it might be best to pick one aspect and focus on discussing the scientific evidence there before going to others, so as to keep the discussion manageable.  If so, then for starters I’ll agree to use David Christ…[Read more]

 Reading the “planes” document – it sounds great!  Yes, we can begin to cover basic ideas (that all life is one family tree, that we evolved from earlier life, etc.) before grade school.  In working with my own kids, the basic concept of our evolution was easy to communicate (I mainly relied on “Our Family Tree” by Peters).  Jennifer’s books ar…[Read more]