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Jon Cleland Host updated new location at Midland, MI 48640, USA 4 years, 2 months ago
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Jon Cleland Host wrote a new post, Deep Time History Wall Mural 4 years, 8 months ago
Check out the deep time history wall mural we put up at Midland High School! It makes me very glad to realize that hundreds of Michigan high school students are seeing this every day during the school year, […]
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This is awesome Jon. Thanks so much for sharing news about it, and making it available to others!
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Thanks for posting, Jon. LOVE it! Great cosmic inspiration as I work away doing summer prep. 🙂
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Great to see you here Shelley! Do let us know how you use it, if you do.
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Thanks, Jennifer. Will do and will try to get back into the posting groove!
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Jon Cleland Host wrote a new post, Help make Stardust Kid's book happen! 7 years, 4 months ago
8 year old Bailey is so inspired by the Cosmos series, that she wants to let every other kid know that they too are made of Stardust! She started a Kickstarter project to get her wonderful book into the hands of […]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 3 months ago
Sorry for not checking back sooner. Ed wrote:
Great to see the conversation continuing…
Thanks for the great contribution to the discussion. Your last post is very helpful.
Philosophically then, the universe IS alive because WE are alive and we are inseparable from the universe.
Yes. In that way, I agree.
So in this spirit, my…
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 3 months ago
Sorry for not checking back sooner. Ed wrote:
Great to see the conversation continuing…
Thanks for the great contribution to the discussion. Your last post is very helpful.
Philosophically then, the universe IS alive because WE are alive and we are inseparable from the universe.
Yes. In that way, I agree.
So in this spirit, my suggestion (as…
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 4 months ago
Thanks, Michael! A lot of the stuff that Ursula and I thought was unhelpful had to do with making claims that go beyond the evidence, and with the use of reductionism as a reason to reject science. Regarding reductionism, it’s important to be aware of the difference between methodological reductionism and ontological (or philosophical) r…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 4 months ago
<p> </p><p>Duane, your selective quote of 148 words from a 900 word essay is not evidence, and worse, similar portions are taken out and used on all kinds of quack sites on the internet, to support all kinds of pseudoscience. The essay itself is simply personal musings, not evidence – that’s why it’s in the essay section of Nature, not the r…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 5 months ago
Duane, that document makes many of the same failures to distinguish methodological naturalism from epistomological naturalism, referring to unproven stories as evidence, and false claims that many of us here have pointed out earlier in this thread. Further, it seems to suggest that having a list of Ph.D. signatories at the end shows that it is…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 5 months ago
Duane, that document makes many of the same failures to distinguish methodological naturalism from epistomological naturalism, referring to unproven stories as evidence, and false claims that many of us here have pointed out earlier in this thread. Further, it seems to suggest that having a list of Ph.D. signatories at the end shows that it is…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 6 months ago
Jim- The ease at which quotes can be picked to give a false impression was also pointed out much earlier in this discussion. I’ll look back and see if I find it. Thanks, Ursula, for re -posting that timely and relevant point about matter. About the Gaia hypothesis – a friend recently blogged about this very point – that there are sever…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Ed- Thanks for all that, and for the interesting and productive conversation. You are indeed a builder of bridges.I look forward to seeing what the future holds.Best- -Jon
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Ed-Thanks for the clear and helpful response. You wrote:
Thanks for replying, Jon. You’ve raised some questions that I can address. ….. ….. I am only trying to justify the research topic itself. You are dismissing it as frivolous.
I’m not quite dismissing it as frivolous, but as an area that seems to have less promise than many other…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Edyou wrote:
Jon – To me, your arguments seem to come from a need to fit everything into a particular worldview – one that assures us that there is “nothing out of the ordinary.”
No, quite the opposite. I’d love to find out about things that are unknown or not explained – in fact, I’m sure that such things exist. My need is fairness/r…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Hi Duane – You wrote:
My experiences come from these years of laboratory experiments (for example, many with strip chart printouts — not fabricated memories) to show the results.
The reports on this work had access to all the data. Those reports concluded that nothing substantial was found.
you so completely diminish and dismiss fi…
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Hi Duane – You wrote:
My experiences come from these years of laboratory experiments (for example, many with strip chart printouts — not fabricated memories) to show the results.
The reports on this work had access to all the data. Those reports concluded that nothing substantial was found. you so completely diminish and dismiss first-…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Ed- Thanks for the response, and sorry about my slow reply (busy, as always). You wrote:
While I still do not see the “diminishing effect” over time that you mentioned,
In the post that I referenced, I mentioned the strong effect claimed for “information transfer” in the 1800s and 1900s in ways such as clairvoyance, ESP, etc. Compar…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 8 months ago
Hi Duane- You wrote:
I could send along statistics to you (perhaps next week)
I’d be happy to look at them, but think about this from the view of anyone else for a second. The data could well show the 65% accuracy claimed in the early SRI data (after all, those data exist as well). What would that mean? To answer that, think of how this go…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Ed wrote:
however your claim that “that the closer these possible effects are looked at, the smaller and more elusive they become” is not substantiated in the citations I gave (as far as I can see).
Yes, it is substantiated. If you look at the table on page 17 of the Bem “90” pdf, you can see that even with hundreds to thousands of experiments…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Ed wrote:
however your claim that “that the closer these possible effects are looked at, the smaller and more elusive they become” is not substantiated in the citations I gave (as far as I can see).
Yes, it is substantiated. If you look at the table on page 17 of the Bem “90” pdf, you can see that even with hundreds to thousands of experiment…[Read more]
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Jon Cleland Host replied to the topic Is the universe a "living system"? in the forum Deep Time Journey Forum 8 years, 9 months ago
Duane, you wrote:
I accept that these are your views but you will certainly find sharp disagreement from skilled biologists working with these organisms. Professor Brian Leander of the Laboratory of Marine Organismal Diversity & Evolution at the University of British Columbia concludes this article with the following:But…
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